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Old 28-12-2004, 20:41   #141
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so do you reckon it was n't very good through bends or other bloke was a puff.



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Old 28-12-2004, 21:04   #142
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Dave take it from me there is no other hot hatch on the road that handle's like the current breed of 's,and i have drivern most the ZR is the modern day Mini and the ZS well it's in a class of it's own nuff said.

All the ford ST range handle but they don't handle like the ZED's
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Old 28-12-2004, 21:57   #143
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seems to be a load of people out and about this month perhaps its the cold air, the nissan sunny gtir are good it a straight line but s**t around corners and brakin so would be good on track, as 4 the clio i have beaten a 172 b4 and test drivin a 182 for a laugh didnt seen as fast as mine ??? the ctr there is a black one round my way was even all the way i couldnt overtake him and he couldnt pull away from me

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Old 29-12-2004, 01:42   #144
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anyone tackled an st170 focus just had one behind me looking a bit lively but he just turned off,theyre just high revving screamers arent they,168 bhp i think so not much diff there but lot more torque in zs i should think and a lot lower down the revs,id have put him in his place i think especially as my zs should be making more bhp than standard.Im hoping when get manifold on which is asap (can't get hold of h and s yet)car will be almost making 168 at wheels as zsv6 got 166 without chip.
The ST170 is ****e. It has about 80bhp until it hits about 6500rpm. Then it has about 150bhp for a split second then you have to change up. I'd be gutted if I lost to one in a ZR120.

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I was driving on the Nordschleife the other day when a Megane sat on my bumper, looking in the rear view i noticed the front spoiler looked odd so being in second i thought i should crack the whip! It stayed with me in second but by the end of third i was just pulling away and in forth it was all over
Intrigued as to what the car was i slowed down but the driver was reluctant to pass so i slowed right down and to my suprise as it passed i see two exhaust pipes out the back,IT was a Megane 225
No way Are you serious? What exactly have you done to your ZS? :xcool:
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Old 01-01-2005, 18:24   #145
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If lightening your car makes it quicker, how much do you think it slows it when its full,i just came home with me,mrs ,3kids, smallest one in a baby chair, full tank of gas ,boot full to overflowing and a big disk lock(for steering wheel)in footwell(passenger side).Reckon car was not far off 200 kg heavier than when im in on my own with no baggage,could deff feel it was slower, but still convincingly blew away a zt(don't know what model)from lights.
What do you think 0-60 with extra 200kg would be,bearing in mind zt 190's time i reckon about 8.5 secs.



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Old 01-01-2005, 18:41   #146
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dont really know how much extra time it'd take to hit 60mph with a FULL car like what you had,but when the standard 0-60 time for a 180 is 7.3-you can have quite a weight penalty and still be faster than the zt-which is a bigger car to start off with!

Yes the zt190's are ever so slightly more powerful than the zs180's,but you,ve still got the advantages of having the lighter car-which is probably were most of the extra 0-60 sprint time comes from(could be to do with gear ratio's aswell as i could well believe that the zs will be slightly lower geared than a zt!)
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Old 01-01-2005, 19:29   #147
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I think its closer than that,i'd say if you had a zs180 with driver and passenger and full tank of fuel and zt 190 just with driver and low fuel there wouldn't be much between em,the difference between 7.3 and 7.9 in reality is very little which is why zs180 can dice with ctr's and the like,cause half a second difference in 0-60 times isn't much out on road,you can lose more than that changing gear or a bit of wheelspin.



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Old 01-01-2005, 22:26   #148
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Yes the zt190's are ever so slightly more powerful than the zs180's
The ZT190 is more powerful but it sacificees midrange - ironic for a heavy car. The ZT flies for a big car but round a track if you ever end up below 5000rpm it get bogged down, whereas the ZS flies regardless of speed
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my m8 read somewhere that the zs has the same time 80-100mph or 70-90mph cant remember which he said, as a scooby?? was he lying or??
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"my m8 read somewhere that the zs has the same time 80-100mph or 70-90mph cant remember which he said, as a scooby?? was he lying or??"

He is lying -the ZS is quicker than a scooby

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sweet which is it 80-1000mph or the other? u got a website that can compare stats??

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u got a website that can compare stats??

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I dont waiste my time with that nonsense,my stats come from the university of life based in Essex

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"my m8 read somewhere that the zs has the same time 80-100mph or 70-90mph cant remember which he said, as a scooby?? was he lying or??"

He is lying -the ZS is quicker than a scooby

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Be very difficult to say,id imagine it'd be 70-90 because neither scoob or zs will go from 80-100 without going up into fourth and the gear change then is making it harder to judge were as 70-90 is just floor it in 3rd all the way,and the scoob would be quicker because at 70 in 3rd your highish up the revs so when you bury the throttle there'd be no lag it just goes,standard scoob has 30 more horses and same amount more torque so it'll always win ,but having owned both there's not much in it ,your only talking couple of car lengths if that.Having 2 cars side by side in 3rd ready to go is still very hard to judge ,a few tenths slower or quicker on the gas could make all difference.Zsv6's would be different however due to weight of 1140 ,is it, and the mods ,that would surprise a standard scooby.I think 4th gear in zs is brilliant,but 5th seems a bit lacking,prob cause ive had turbos.



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Old 03-01-2005, 17:44   #154
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Spose should have said which scooby?mine was classic shape 2000my but the bug eye replacement had same power but was 100kg+ heavier and noticably slower so if your on about bug eye then maybe.



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My car is only 1140 when i go to pod any other time it weighs the same as yours.
When you get the manifolds done you will change your opinion of the scooby,It was a super car ten years ago but today (performance wise) its no better than the current crop of hot hatches-CTR ect.
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Bug eye is what i;'m mainly talking about as Standard vrs Standard (standing start excluded but all i;'m saying is with manifolds the ZS is transformed and will give a standard classic a hard time.
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I tend to agree with Kev here, the ZS is under estimated, when its been lightly tuned it's a good match for most of the other competition. The Scooby was the car in its day, still a car that most use as a benchmark but that title is falling away because of the technology being used in today’s modern FWD cars.
If MG were to have fitted a LSD and some electronic traction control how much better would the ZS have been??
Look how well it handles with out all the gizmo’s, loads of potential in the ZS.
Take a look at this years TOTB, the FWD cars are putting in quicker times than many of the RWD and a lot of the 4WD cars, times have changed, my own bubble turbo ran a 13.01 at 18 psi which equates to 285 bhp take a look at the DVD and see how quick these cars are. Andy Nichols is breaking into the 11’s in his T16.
FWD and traction isn’t the problem it used to be, better suspension set up, trick electronics, all this power can be put down on the road with out the transmission losses of a 4WD.
Round the twisty, the cars handle too.
All these figures account for very little in the real world of driving, OK, I know I don’t stand a chance against some of the newer Evo’s as they are just silly fast on the roads and handle, but with cars in the ZS own class it more than keeps up.


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My car is only 1140 when i go to pod any other time it weighs the same as yours.
When you get the manifolds done you will change your opinion of the scooby,It was a super car ten years ago but today (performance wise) its no better than the current crop of hot hatches-CTR ect.
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Quotes like this are doin my ead in ,ave got wonga for mani but aven't been able to get hold of h and s(flippin holidays),if they are back tomorrow it'll be booked in,its a long way to go but be fun coming home!! and expensive,petrol wise!!!



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Any idea how much more noise it'll make as its loud enough really.



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Shows what diff 100 odd kilos makes as classic scoob was over 3 seconds faster to 100mph than bug eye.



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i notice a difference alot now yesterday was behind a leon cupraR 225bhp job bout 45 and he floored it stuck to his bumper like glue even had to keep letting foot off pedal and when we got to bends jesus had to back off cus he was all over shop car was drifting and looked like he was going to loose it! i was quite suprised as i always thought they were good cars (or is that the mags talking??)
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They are posed to be quick as well arent they? 0-60 6.7 secs



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"(or is that the mags talking??)"

Never bother with mag stats,only what i see with my own two eyes.
unless they are timed at the same time under the same conditions there meaningless.
Skoda pulled a stroke when they put a 225 enging in the RS and have its 0.60 listed in most mags as 6.7.There all at it and i reckon MG should start playing dirty too.
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i notice a difference alot now yesterday was behind a leon cupraR 225bhp job bout 45 and he floored it stuck to his bumper like glue even had to keep letting foot off pedal and when we got to bends jesus had to back off cus he was all over shop car was drifting and looked like he was going to loose it! i was quite suprised as i always thought they were good cars (or is that the mags talking??)
Once saw group test in top gear mag i think, of top ten under steering cars and guess what was one of the group ,you got it cupra 225 ,came about 7th i think.



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Never bother with mag stats,only what i see with my own two eyes.
unless they are timed at the same time under the same conditions there meaningless.
Skoda pulled a stroke when they put a 225 enging in the RS and have its 0.60 listed in most mags as 6.7.There all at it and i reckon MG should start playing dirty too.
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So yor sayin skoda put a 225 motor in octavia vrs then published figures sayin it was for the normal 180 variant,THAT STINKS.



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Skoda pulled a stroke when they put a 225 enging in the RS and have its 0.60 listed in most mags as 6.7.There all at it and i reckon MG should start playing dirty too.
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Are you sure about that? The vRS is 180bhp isn't it? I've heard of some of the Audi diesels chucking out more power than they're supposed to have, but no the Skoda.

Is this only some of them? I've got a Top Gear group test of the ZS180, Octavia vRS and Bora Sport ( @Sport ) and the Octavia and MG were level pegging in performance. This indicates the 180bhp engine doesn't it?
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vw gp diesels do put out more than they say

remember seeing 2 skoda vrs models standard say 130 bhp buy when tested one was 148 other 150
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Are you sure about that? The vRS is 180bhp isn't it? I've heard of some of the Audi diesels chucking out more power than they're supposed to have, but no the Skoda.

Is this only some of them? I've got a Top Gear group test of the ZS180, Octavia vRS and Bora Sport ( @Sport ) and the Octavia and MG were level pegging in performance. This indicates the 180bhp engine doesn't it?
I think he means they did it just to get better figures as a one off ,not that some of em actually ave that motor in.



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Old 04-01-2005, 17:39   #170
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What did they say about skoda ,handling ,performance wise compared to zs.?



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"I think he means they did it just to get better figures as a one off ,not that some of em actually ave that motor in."
Spot on Dave

Auto car road test result for VRS
0-60 6.7
0-100 16.7
The saloon weighs 1352 & the estate 1390 so they aint light
Haven't got the top gear results to hand but it was like 7.8 to 60 and 20 seconds to 100.
I even reckon the Top gear car was ringer
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"I think he means they did it just to get better figures as a one off ,not that some of em actually ave that motor in."
Spot on Dave

Auto car road test result for VRS
0-60 6.7
0-100 16.7
The saloon weighs 1352 & the estate 1390 so they aint light
Haven't got the top gear results to hand but it was like 7.8 to 60 and 20 seconds to 100.
I even reckon the Top gear car was ringer
Kev
auto car talk poo obviously ,my 200sx was 197bhp 1265kg and had more torque and that needed 17.5 to reach 100.Autocars motor was obviously dodgy like you said,might ave been chipped but even so them figuresstill to quick,top gear sounds about right.I test drove a 180 leon(same engine)couple of years ago,torque rushed in low down but that was it ,most uninspiring engine ever and i told em so,they thought i was joking till i put keys in his hands and departed.No way it was quick as my zs.



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As some of you may know, the reason I bought a ZS180 was due to Skoda's customer service. The Octy vRS is a great handling car and quite quick too. A bit boring to look at compared to the ZS but good fun.
I was wondering, if the cars used for getting the 0-60 times etc have blue-printed engines as this will mean that they are exactly what they say on the tin but will be as good as possible with the highest bhp/torque etc?
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Are you sure about that? The vRS is 180bhp isn't it? I've heard of some of the Audi diesels chucking out more power than they're supposed to have, but no the Skoda.

Is this only some of them? I've got a Top Gear group test of the ZS180, Octavia vRS and Bora Sport ( @Sport ) and the Octavia and MG were level pegging in performance. This indicates the 180bhp engine doesn't it?

The vRS is a 1.8 20 value Turbo putting out 180bhp. VW do a 1.8 putting out 225 but I dont think skoda got it. As far as i know its only available in the Seat Cupra R and Audi.
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There all same company and the 1.8 is the same unit, just tuned .



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