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Old 06-04-2004, 17:43   #36
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Standard UK scooby turbo is definitely beyond the 180. We were tempted by Scoobys, but cost of repairs when things go wrong and petrol costs keep on putting me off them. ZS is more suited to hot hatch territory i reckon.

ZS_180_Project - I understand you've had the work done by George? Exhaust, chip and induction is it? Once rolling i'd have though 210bhp would put you close to a standard uk Turbo scoob. Have you taken the car down a 1/4 mile strip to see what it can do? Do you reckon the work has been worth it?
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the scooby's do apparently have 1 of the highest average costs of repair at £1000 according to a survey not long back. petrol costs i wouldnt have thought come into it, both the ZS and Scooby turbos are 29mpg combined. yeah, i cant wait to have a clio 172, bit worried about the cup tho. the new breed of hot hatches are gonna b a bit of a handful. clio 182, revised CTR (now down to 6.6 from 6.8 to 60 i believe) fiesta RS turbo etc etc.

the head to head the other night proves that even once rolling, the scoob easily has the better of mine, tho like i say, i shouldve dropped a gear, i was expecting him to fly passed, but he didnt pass as quickly as i had thought. he has a new exhaust which will also give him an extra 20-30 bhp, and possible other mods (just speculation)

Yes, i have had the work done by george at RSM, it is exhaust, induction and a remap of the existing ECU. definately well worth the cash for the sound alone. but there is also most importantly a noticeable difference in performance, in fact, after the 3/400 miles (distance approx. taken for remap to learn of engine mods) i was thinking the ZS was gonna b damn close to the scoob turb once rolling (bearing in mind i have test driven a couple and know wot they're capable of). i think i just got used to the car, as u do, and now i dont think of it as quite as quick as when i was 1st experiencing the ZS with tuning at full pelt. tho it does still surprise me occasionally. as previos threads have discussed, there does seem to be good, quick days, and bad, slow days, apparently dependant on heat/humidity etc.
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well not posted on here in a while with the recent hot weather they have been several mini boy racers trying there luck

the first one was with a black civic type r he noticed me behind him but he wasnt up for it so to say. then we approached a roundabout he looked in the mirror as if to say come on then so he tried to out pull away from me out of the roundabout but i stayed with him all the way through the gears, he then stopped trying,the look on his face

the second was very late at night i was on the road on my own this car was coming up real fast i slowed down just incase it was a cop car, but it went passed me at crazy speed didnt even see what car it was so i put my foot down to find out after catchin it up and burning lots of fuel it was a golf r32,i was following him for a bit we went through some traffic lights (on green) slowed down to 60mph then we both speeded up he was obviously a lot faster but, top speed was close. we came to a roundabout he braked first so i caught up through the roundabout then down the next dual carragway and he slaughterd me down there then he turned off all a bit of fun
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Just to jump on after reading Greeds worries.

Power doesnt always lose out. Bottle does.

My 115 DIESEL has beaten 316 / 318's including my mates 318 coupe thingy.

Your 120 would be on a par with mine ( Jerry ZEDMANS was ) give them all ago, Escorts/ XR3's etc, VTS / VTR.

Just DONT play with EVO's , SCoobies etc as they are a differnet plain.

Scooby 2.0 borring things are toast, and that makes you fel good.

Oh, also BMW 325 TD's , 320 TD's any PUG, and most FIATS.
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Just DONT play with EVO's , SCoobies etc as they are a differnet plain.
Done both with my MG Maestro 2.0i, mate at work has a Scubi and won't play, played with an EVO7 last christmas over about 10 miles until he gave up trying to get away, to be fare every time he did get away he was slowed by traffic.

If I ever get the car back with the new engine (T16 turbo) I will let you know.
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Done both with my MG Maestro 2.0i, mate at work has a Scubi and won't play, played with an EVO7 last christmas over about 10 miles until he gave up trying to get away, to be fare every time he did get away he was slowed by traffic.

If I ever get the car back with the new engine (T16 turbo) I will let you know.
No disrespect James but the EVO driver would not have been driving to the car's full potential, they are sub-5 second 0-60 car's and would leave an EFi maestro standing everywhere.

What's happened to your car BTW?

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Went out last night for a little run and ended up having a 10 min tussle with a Ferrari 308 GTS.

Minding my own business, driving past Brands Hatch, woosh a sleek Red thing past us all... I looked across at my passenger and said "Shall I - for a laugh"

Dropped to 2nd the chase was on.... caught it up at roundabout away we went.

Damn I thought, thats quick, but then I was gaining again, obviously the driver wasn't pushing it that hard.

Roundabouts and bends I was a match for it.... on the straight - CYA

He then slowed right down and I passed him slowly...

Drivers and passengers alike all had silly grins on their faces and a big thumbs up out of the Ferrari window - Respect
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No disrespect James but the EVO driver would not have been driving to the car's full potential, they are sub-5 second 0-60 car's and would leave an EFi maestro standing everywhere.
He was, it was the Friday afternoon before christmas so there was a lot of traffic, everytime there was a gap he was gone, but everytime the traffic was slow enough clearing for me to catch up, I just found it really funny.

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I booked it in for a T16 conversion rather than doing it myself as I don't have the time or space and the price and service seemed resonable and a loan car was offered, the work start was delayed by 2 weeks and instead of taking a week has now taken 7, the most frustrating thing is the lack of communication. I won't comment further until I get the car back.

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"I booked it in for a T16 conversion "

The T16 is so passe,did you concider a KV6 coversion?
BTW,whos doing the conversion?

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Supercars are always worth a punt and i had a similar experiance with a 911 carrera that i had been latched to the back of in a damp twisty road, we reach a dual and he blows in into the weeds but when i get to the other end he's waiting for me waving his arm out the window in triumph
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I did consider a KV6 conversion but at a quoted £5000 I decided it can wait, already have one V6 anyway.

Appriciating that bad publicity is, er bad, I am not saying anymore than I have already about the converter until I get the car back, if the work is good then I may overlook the delays but at this rate I will not get the car back and will have to let the cat out of the bag.
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Ferrari 308 GTS - HaHaHa i thought as i sat in the passenger seat.........

but.........

that was FUN!

Yeh Maybe the Ferrari driver wasn't given it large, but we held our own!

Cannot wait till i get to about 25 and owns my first MG

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The other day I was cruising on the M62 with wife and kids at about 80/90 when an Evo pulled up beside me.. Waved and gave me the nod for a dual.. He only had his girlfriend.... I wasnt going to get stuck into a race with my family in the car but there was no harm in droping a couple of gears and going down with a bit of grace.... He dropped down too and pulled away slowly and smoothly.. not enough to make me look silly but definatly the winner.. I just wish the kids wernt with me and I had some bloomin NOS in the tank..... Must remember to have it filled ready for an occation like that... Then he would have stopped smileing
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Come on guys are you telling me that you havent had any clashes with other cars recently??
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Im waiting to have a go against my mates new 182 clio. He's up for it once he's run it in and we do tend to be sensible when we have a go against each other. He had a Saxo VTS before and I toasted it in the 180. I'll keep you posted.
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Well I had a little tussle with a C class Merc 320 nice looking car with a pretty good spec,
0-62.5mph 7.7 man 7.8 auto
Max speed 154 Ė 152
6 cylinder 3.2 (218bhp)

It is my favorite stretch of road,
2 lane carriage way,
no exits or entry points till you reach the end of this road,
first a nice straight which is about 1 mile (This is the point the Merc sat up my backside) so we booted it till triple figures, bit of cat and mouse, I pulled away he caught up, change gear and so on

very long right hander with concrete crash barriers either side, down into 4th at 120, Merc backs off, I see his car starting to get a little out of shape
after
small straight for about 100 meters, still in 4th and he makes a little ground
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very nice S left to right, 3rd very smooth line up to the limiter Merc once again out of shape
then
straight for another 100 meters, into 4th up to the limiter changing into 5th and there is a very noticeable gap between us now
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long left followed by a 1.5 mile straight to the end of this carriageway, through the bend at 125 and keep it flat out till I have to start braking, no Merc in site as Iíve gained enough speed through the bends to leave him.

He eventually catches up at some lights and we pull over and exchange greetings (as you do in France), he is very pleased with the tussle and buzzing, new car and needs to learn a little more about itís handling but all the same your ZS is dam quick and watching the handling from behind makes you think your own car will cope with those bends,,,,,aaahhhh.

Needless to say, NO other cars on the road this evening on this particular stretch of road, hardly ever is because itís the spur to my town, which is only very small, so only local traffic.
We both drove way to fast endangering our own lives.

Donít do it that often but when I do itís usually here and I never loose.

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We had a CLK 320 Auto and its not a drivers car - PERIOD and the C-class is the same!

Max hated the chronic understeer. Main reason we sold it (however we should have sold it in the first 3 months - at that time we could have made a 6k premium - it was the first batch in the UK).

A ZS180 will run rings round it.
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I have got to agree with Jerry with regards to the above motors they are not the best,try an A-class next time they do a 2.1cc not v quick and handling to match
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Oh well, I thought I was doing rather well against the Merc (nice car though), to be honest though I donít have that many tussles as most of the folk over here drive Diesels and they drive them like they just robed a bank.
When the game started with the Merc I new it was a Merc but had no idea which model, it was only when we reached the first bend I realized I had the edge.
During one of my UK visits I did have a tussle with a bmw330 and Pug 3.0, was all pretty even till triple figures but I decided to halt the proceedings because of heavy traffic (M25) but the other 2 idiots carried on weaving through other traffic making the hairs on the back of my neck stand up in fear, I had no idea that drivers with expensive cars could and would drive like fools putting other peoples lives at risk, under these circumstances Iím sure an A-class would be able to beat me.

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Your right - there is a time and a place and a busy M25 is not it


Well done for backing off
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hi ya fellow people, had a little run in with two cars today, one was a subaru legacy estate and the other a IS200 just a bit of fun got the thumbs up
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any1 had a do with a clio 172/182 yet?
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I live in France so yes, not as quick as I thought though, have not seen a 172 Cup but they are dam quick as they are so light.
182 is a great car and I would have one just for the standard kit, I'm sure they would give a standard 180 a good run for its money up to about triple numbers but above this the V6 rules.

The ones I've come into contact with are left behind, not for dead but I manage to put distance between us quick enough, they do go rounds bends well though.

Had a Clio 3.0 V6 come up behind me a few weeks back, I didn't even bother just pulled over and gave him a wave, cracking cars and one day when I grow up I want one LOL. 250bhp out of the box, style all of there own, RWD, bit of NOS and your in the zone man, they look great and hold the road real well, would take something special to beat one of these Clio's.

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not many of those round my way test driven a 182 when i was bored one afternoon didnt find it all that
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I'm sure they would give a standard 180 a good run for its money up to about triple numbers but above this the V6 rules.
A member of Cliosport.net posted something along these lines a while back. She had a 172 and her husband a ZS180. I'm sure she posted about the ZS being quicker at bad speeds.

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Had a Clio 3.0 V6 come up behind me a few weeks back, I didn't even bother just pulled over and gave him a wave, cracking cars and one day when I grow up I want one LOL. 250bhp out of the box, style all of there own, RWD, bit of NOS and your in the zone man, they look great and hold the road real well, would take something special to beat one of these Clio's.
The new facelifted ones (the 255) are fast, but the original V6 Clio is in 172 Cup territory. One of the moderators on Cliosport.net couldn't lose a ZS180 (not me) up to extremely license losing speeds in his standard original V6 Clio. Food for thought that
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"but the original V6 Clio is in 172 Cup territory. One of the moderators on Cliosport.net couldn't lose a ZS180 "

I have a vague recollection of a incident with a V6,he tried to Dash away but the spoilered house brick just couldn't shake off the mighty ZS
While we are on the subject of a vrs thread i'd just like to thank the owners of a TT225,Skyline,172,RX8 and CTR who have added to my enjoyment lately ,but unfortunatly i haven't had it all my own way and had my ar5e handed to me on a plate by of all things a orange Nova.This thing made my ZS look like a bus
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a nova ???? u should have taken it round some bends
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"but the original V6 Clio is in 172 Cup territory. One of the moderators on Cliosport.net couldn't lose a ZS180 "

I have a vague recollection of a incident with a V6,he tried to Dash away but the spoilered house brick just couldn't shake off the mighty ZS
While we are on the subject of a vrs thread i'd just like to thank the owners of a TT225,Skyline,172,RX8 and CTR who have added to my enjoyment lately ,but unfortunatly i haven't had it all my own way and had my ar5e handed to me on a plate by of all things a orange Nova.This thing made my ZS look like a bus
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Dash indeed. Didn't realised that you are the famed 172slayer. I re-read all those posts just after I got the ZS

Is the 14.2 second 1/4 mile in your signature referring to your ZS? How much have to stripped out from it to get that?
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The 14.2 is a ZS stripped out at 1140 kgs and as for that Nova it did include a sweeping bend and it was still pulling on me round it-truely amazing car.
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The 14.2 is a ZS stripped out at 1140 kgs and as for that Nova it did include a sweeping bend and it was still pulling on me round it-truely amazing car.
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That's a ****** impressive time mate. I imagine there was a few bit and peices taken out to lose around 80+ kgs though...
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I watched Kev race another ZS180 at santapod, the other car had a 50 shot of NOS, induction, zorst and re-map.
At the time Kev was only running a home brew induction kit and lost a few kilo’s, nothing like what he has now.
The results were interesting to say the least LOL
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Well let’s just say the other ZS had more than a little surprise LOL
If my memory serves me, they went up against each other twice on the day, Kev managed to spin off the line and then get his gears tied up, then he reeled him in but not enough to get the edge, second time was a different story though.
They both ran a number of times but Kev punched out the best time between them, he was up against a Honda NSX, ppppppffffffff I hear you say no chance, well he did extremely well and was only just behind the Honda and managed his best time of the day.

Kev, can you remember the times?

Anyway, I’ve said it more than once, Kev has a very well balanced car as many have found out to there surprise.
CC track day put a permanent smirk on my face all day; nice to see the same ZS take some serous scalps.


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I watched Kev race another ZS180 at santapod, the other car had a 50 shot of NOS, induction, zorst and re-map.
At the time Kev was only running a home brew induction kit and lost a few kiloís, nothing like what he has now.
The results were interesting to say the least LOL
NOS is for pussies who can't maintain the power. Buy a proper engined car and you'll do without NOS.

NB: I accept NOS is OK if all you want to do is go in straight lines at Santa (boring).

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