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Old 01-02-2019, 18:50   #1
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Thought id post up a thread of my Rover i am building to go racing with just to help get the forum alive Not quite a MG i know but it is a continuation of my ZR160 as im using the drivetrain from it.

Anyway i wont go through the build bolt by bolt as been going on a little while now and a lot of it has been messing about and trial and error and some people my have seen it on other forums. So the long and short of the story is i stopped building the ZR as i wanted something a bit different and wanted to race in a pre 1993 championship But now after yet another change of plan i am now aiming to race in Class B of the 750MC Hot Hatch Challenge. So onto the car, its a 1993 R8 3 door non sunroof 214 Sprint that i got it off a Rover trader after its 1 and only owner unfortunately fell ill and pasted away with just over 60k on the clock and no rust any where

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So first thing was to strip everything out to a shell and get remove what was needed with my little helper....

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Old 01-02-2019, 19:02   #2
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Next was to remove the engine from the ZR and the Rover....

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After all that was onto the suspension, i chose to used MG ZS 180 rear for the stronger arms, thicker roll bar and bigger brakes and ZR 160 front for the stronger thicker sub-frame, quicker steering rack and thicker roll bar again...

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Old 01-02-2019, 19:14   #3
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At this point run in to a bit of a nightmare as where the steering rack passes into the car on the Rover was completely different. I had to cut of the factory mount of the Rover and make a new panel and use a ZR steering column....

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After said nightmare was behind me i painted the engine and front panel....

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Then onto painting the engine and gearbox....

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And into the hole...

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Old 01-02-2019, 19:21   #4
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Now it was time to wire up the engine, ecu gauges etc using motorsport spec plugs and pins....

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Then onto the power supply again using a motorsport battery etc....

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Then was time was the first start up.... ****CLICK TO VIEW****

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I also wired in the ABS light as a shift light....

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Next job was to Poly Bush everything using Black Series motorsport bushes, fit Camber/toe arms, carry out 4 wheel alignment and get a MOT....

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The finished car after i found, painted and fitted boot spoiler and bumper from a 2 litre turbo GSI....

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Next was a day out at Santa Pod to test it out but only got 2 runs due to weather. Heres a run against a friends trackday 180bhp Toyota Celica....

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Think i did ok as the track was so slippy was having to pull away at 1500 rpm or i would just wheel spin in 1st and into 2nd but was on poor tyres and still on a standard ZR160 gearbox with a open diff.

Next was a trackday at Bedford Autodrome....

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Had a good day but the car handled like a dog against the ZR but as it had standard ZR legs at front and standard ZS legs at rear didnt expect to set any records
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After the poor handling at Bedford i decided to get the suspension sorted and got a set of Avo R1 coilovers with B&G adjustable solid top mounts.....

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And that brings us up to date. Ive got a few things lined up to do but im back at Bedford on the 16th Feb to test again. My next plans are....

Fit the Quife ATB diff....

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Replace the poly bushes in the trailing arms for spherical bearings as the bushes are so hard i cant adjust the rear toe which is causing over steer on track i think as rear wheels where toeing out. Ive gone for PCI units as run by various Honda Civic race guys....

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And get the race seat in just waiting to get the floor bars welding in.
I plan to have the seat and bearing in ready for the trackday

I hope you enjoy reading this thread, know its been a long one but will keep it updated as i go along now so not a huge lot to get through in one sitting.

I must say im happy with it tho as apart from the mapping ive done everything myself from the engine, wiring, suspension with no help other than from my 6 year old

The spec of engine that i built in the kitchen (THATS NO JOKE) is with keeping in spec of 750 Motor clubs class B regs so no high compression pistons, no porting or flowing to cylinder head ports....

Rebuilt ZR 160 VVC bottom end to Rover spec with colour coded bearings
OE 160 cylinder head with Piper 285H cam kit from DVA Power
K Series 190 VHPD spec Powertrain throttle bodies from a S1 Lotus Exige
Janspeed manifold and exhaust system
3.5 kg Elise parts race flywheel
Emerald K6 ecu with flat gear shift and switchable maps (1 for road and 1 for the track)

Engine made 183 bhp when was first built with a 7000rpm rev limit and still on the ZR160 factory exhaust system with the CAT fitted. John at Emerald estimated with a 7500 rpm limit and a proper exhaust may add another 10bhp both of which the engine now has and im hoping to get it mapped again soon.
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This type of thread is fantastic John. I find them for informative and for me somewhat envious of your skill sets.

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I like the pci bushes. How much?

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Got one side fitted today, must say im very impressed with the quality of the parts and the suspension moves so much freely now when you push down on the corner, compered to the side with the Poly bush in its like having to completely different springs fitted. I also noted that you hardly get any change in the angle of the wheel when you add weight or jack the car up slightly where as with the poly bushed side its quite noticeable so fingers crossed its looking like when a worth while, even tho expensive upgrade....

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It is crazy. Spherical bearing everywhere! They are amazing.

Not too bad to install then, couple of holes and bolt it in!?


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Finally made a start on the new gearbox today since i had a day off work, been looking for a good low mileage G4BSV PG1 from another ZR160 but been unable to find one so ive decided i will use the G6BP box i have as a spare i got from a Lotus Elise S2 111S as i know its a good low mileage unit. Its the same low ratio 1st-5th gear set as the ZR160 but with the 3.9 diff rather than the 4.2 i want so im also replacing the input shaft and crown wheel to bring it to the same spec as the box already in the car. Just doing a dummy build for the moment so i can measure everything and order all the bearings, shims etc all together cant wait to test the ATB....

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Also i took the car to work yesterday to adjust the wheel alignment and i got to say im over the moon with the bearings
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Encouraging me to buy something to develop. No way I could be doing that with a gearbox though.
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Just quick inform, done a trackday yesterday at Bedford again to compare the car against how it was last time. I will be making a little video of my best lap from this and last trackdays side by side for comparison I'm just waiting for Javelin to add the pictures so can made a little video but i was just over 7 seconds (best vs best) faster than before since fitting the coil overs and PCI bearings which is two corners on the track so I'm on the right path. Still a long way to go but so next things are to double the spring rates (still to soft for track) and definitely need to get the LSD in as I was getting terrible wheel spin out of corners so was having to often say in a higher gear which is probably losing me a few seconds per lap but here's a little drive by clip filmed by someone in the pits....

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A 7 second improvement is a great step forward. Wonderful stuff.
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Thanks I was surprised my self too but happy. Car was on the same brakes, same tyres set to same pressures and the day was almost the same ambient temperature so as close I you could ask for I guess
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Ok guys got few pictures and done videos....

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And a few videos....

First just a few over takes....

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And a comparison between the Trackday in November and Saturdays after fitting the Avo R1 Coilovers and PCI racing spherical trailing arm bearings.....

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Daniel blewitt might see your post about the diff on Facebook. I can't seem to find it atm! But be does have a few in


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Try us for anything. If I don't then I probably know someone who does.


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Quick update, been a bit of a delay as i ended up not using the used diff i had a got a brand new unit ATB from Quaife but i had a bit of a nightmare getting a few of the shims i needed due to them being obsolete. Anyway its all rebuilt now and back in the car with steel caged bearings and all end floats ect all set to factory specs and filled with Millers Nanodrive CRX 75W90 NT+ competition gear oil....

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A little cosmetic update for change since ive got no new parts to fit :unsure finally got round to doing a job thats been bugging me since got the car. It have various rust spots on the drivers door where i would guess its been opened against something and knocking the paint off so thought i would address it now before they become holes....

Took it down to metal to grid out the rust....

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Then i put on some rust treatment, a good coating of anti rust primer and a coat of high build primer followed by a flatting off to smooth the surface....

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Than the top coat, unfortunately i just used a tin of the Halfords paint so the colour match is a bit off (to light) but im not to worried as its not a show car just glad not to be looking a rust every time get into it :tt2 .....

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Little update on the 200, not done anything with it for a while now unforgivably but finally got the L/R brake master cylinder on and all the brake pipes made etc. Ive used the Rover reservoir as the L/R unit is to close to the throttle bodies....

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Another little update since its been June/July since the car has been started or even moved :S I decided to let the little Rover have a break over end of summer and put the Evo on the road for a while....

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Any way back to the R8, made a few changes to been it into line with the regs for the race series i want to run in. The major one is the fact i have to run the factory size wheel from the range so shes finally back on 15" wheels ....

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That being said brings a few good points, looks better and i can set the car lower but the on the negative side means i cant run the big brake kit so im down to ZR160 282mm discs and calipers :scared Im also going to have to use the 216 GTI wheels (which are heavier than the 17's) because the Turbo wheels rub on the 160 brake caliper carrier. Back on track next month with this set up and stiffer coil springs for a bit of test time to see what happens :tt2
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Can finally get on with the car again now xmas and new year are out of the way. Replaced all the seals, pistons, sliders etc for the 160 brakes and gave them a coat of yellow. Not a lot of space under the 15's tho....

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Little update to the thread, so over winter made a lot of changes to the car. Those being stiffer springs (up by 100lbs front and 120lbs rear over the old ones) change to the ride height which was the main reason for going to the Rover Sport 15" wheels, going from the 330x28mm discs, 6 pot calipers and DS3000 pads to MG ZR 160 282mm discs and calipers with Carbotech XP8 race pads, changes to both axle Toe and Camber settings, a G code gearbox with a Quaife ATB diff. So anyway on the 9th i finally got to get on a Trackday with MGoT to see how it all played out. I must say i really wasnt sure what would happen after making so many changes all at once and more less starting agian but im pleased to say the car handled amazing and the transformation in the traction was unreal. With the open diff last year on MGOC Class A Dunlop full slicks i got no end of wheel spin but with the ATB on thinner road tyres there was none. Thats all for now until the next change or trackday....



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Well guys due to the current situation the poor little Rover hasnt moved since Februarys trackday with MGOT so i decided now Santa Pod has reopened id take a trip up there. Not the best outing for a car aimed at the circuit with -3 degrees of camber, 195 tyres and not a very powerful engine but thought at least gets the oil circulating :tt2 Anyway was a good afternoon out and i beat my previous best by over a second with and best of 14.1 at 97 mph, not going to set world on fire but thats faster than a ST Fiesta, ST Focus 225, VXR Corsa or Astra etc so not bad for a non turbo 1.8 K Series. The Quaife ATB makes a HUGE difference definitely the best mod by far be it an expensive one :laughing2 The commentator on the live stream was funny when i lined up he said "wow a Rover 214 how are they still about, the Tomcats where cool" Head over to Santa Pods YouTube page if you want watch it the time is 17:45 i think.

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