MG F/TF Turbo / Supercharger

[xr3tf]

There seems to be only a few people that are busy with fitting either a turbo or a supercharger to their F/TF. Clearly a boosted conversion on this vehicle is not common practice and it comes with it's headaches.

Are there any members that have bought / developed such a conversion and are / have been running it for a while in their cars?

I know BBR sold such a conversion - how successfull was this? I have only read the review of the vehicle, but this is based on a one day test and they did not "live" with the vehicle in boosted form.

If members do not want to post in here, please PM me.

[AndyG2]

Originally Posted by xr3tf

There seems to be only a few people that are busy with fitting either a turbo or a supercharger to their F/TF. Clearly a boosted conversion on this vehicle is not common practice and it comes with it's headaches.

Are there any members that have bought / developed such a conversion and are / have been running it for a while in their cars?

I know BBR sold such a conversion - how successfull was this? I have only read the review of the vehicle, but this is based on a one day test and they did not "live" with the vehicle in boosted form.

If members do not want to post in here, please PM me.

I am trying to SC my F, I am talking to TurboTecniques at the moment, (when they reply to me,)

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[Steve White]

Originally Posted by AndyG2

I am trying to SC my F, I am talking to TurboTecniques at the moment, (when they reply to me,)

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Try contacting Talon Sportscars, as they now sell the TT developed SC components.

[Jixaman]

Yup, I was looking to S/C my TF too, Turbo Technics dont reply to E's (at least not to TF enquiry), I called and it was said that they dont do the TF kit now but could sell me an elise kit ??? follow followed by if theres a sufficiant demand (like half a dozen) then they would consider puting it back into production....

Their compresor is just like that of a turbo as opposed to a twin screw...

Talk to Brian at Dreadnought, I know he was looking at it a whyle back, anyway, good luck with it and keep us posted... Its the only thing a well sorted TF needs is enough power to send it back in time...

[AndyG2]

Originally Posted by Jixaman

Yup, I was looking to S/C my TF too, Turbo Technics dont reply to E's (at least not to TF enquiry), I called and it was said that they dont do the TF kit now but could sell me an elise kit ??? follow followed by if theres a sufficiant demand (like half a dozen) then they would consider puting it back into production....

Their compresor is just like that of a turbo as opposed to a twin screw...

Talk to Brian at Dreadnought, I know he was looking at it a whyle back, anyway, good luck with it and keep us posted... Its the only thing a well sorted TF needs is enough power to send it back in time...

Brian did my ZTT. I have been chasing him for a while, He had an engine at 270+ but not bulletproof.

Wrong thread,, but also a Close Ratio Gear box is also needed

[AndyG2]

Lets start a List. maybe a new thread??

Who wants a SuperCharger kit for a TF or F?


XR3TF
Jixaman
AndyG


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12? people needed

[Jixaman]

Erm, slight problem... Yes me, but I would need to buy another TF first... Ours was brutally murdered on November 2nd by a Mini (CChhhhhhh Spit), I have a 350Z now...

[AndyG2]

QUOTE=Jixaman

..... buy another TF first ..... OK

I have a 350Z now.......... Overtook one of those on The Ring


I have found a CR box,

[NathanHobbs]

A TF super-charger/turbo charger is going to cost a LOT. Some conversions were done, but, economically, it's not really practical. The problem is you need to do a lot more than just screw it on as there is no room for it in the engine bay... stuff has to be moved around.

Also note that the gearbox is only rated up to 190bhp.

You'de probably be better off putting a Type-R engine in instead.

[AndyG2]

QUOTE=NathanHobbs
A TF super-charger/turbo charger is going to cost a LOT. Yes

Some conversions were done, but, economically, it's not really practical.
More power is the quest and it will save fuel.

The problem is you need to do a lot more than just screw it on as there is no room for it in the engine bay... stuff has to be moved around.
Yes, Who can sort it first?

Also note that the gearbox is only rated up to 190bhp.
Must check on the CR Box, Thank you good question.


You'd probably be better off putting a Type-R engine in instead.
Would like to keep it English

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[NathanHobbs]

Someones done a V6 conversion with the 190BHP K-series V6.

Had to replace the fuel tank with a modified one, cut some bits out of the subframe to make it fit, and move a few bits around, like the oil filter.

The extra weight of the V6 meant the car was no faster than a standard VVC with K&N, sports exhaust and engine remap, but the power was delivered far more smoothly.

The supercharger conversions that were done cost around £4000. You coud probably do some of the work fitting the turbo yourself but only if you are an experienced engineer with full facilities. Either way I'de certainly recommend buying a £1500 scrapper with HGF to try it out.

If someone manages it, take lots of photos, keep notes and keep all the patterns for the parts.

The most performance improvements you can get will be with high-flow exhaust system/manifold, high flow cat, k&n & engine remap.

You could chance a NOX system... one person has done it in an F, but don't expect te engine to last forever... it's really only suitable for a show car.

[AndyG2]

Someones done a V6 conversion with the 190BHP K-series V6.
Not interested

The most performance improvements you can get will be with high-flow exhaust system/manifold, high flow cat, k&n & engine remap.
Have: Datona Exhaust, ITG Filter, Full flow Cats, BRM CR Box to fit next week, Would like to change to 4.200 Final Ratio. Can it be done??

You could chance a NOX system... one person has done it in an F, but don't expect te engine to last forever... it's really only suitable for a show car.

Debs has NOS, Great for Sprint, Not for fast road use,


Going to the Alps for 4 days in May to fight the Audi TT Club up the mountains

[NathanHobbs]

There is a place near slip end round the corner from me that does geabox refits... haven't tried them but they seem to know what they are talking about and claim to have done a lot of work on the PG1 box.

They said they SHOULD be able to change the final drive, apparently a lot depends on the spline? count on the final drive... the "cog teeth" inside the shaft I think.

They have a number of standard conversions, but they were going the "wrong way" for me... I wanted to have a higher fifth (for motorway cuising) without losing 0-60 acceleration.

EDIT: Get the engine remap done on a proper single drum dynomometer... you'll need a "chip" box first though... about £300 I think. You wont get the full benefit of your mods unless you remap the engine to take advantage of them. Also, fit a splitter unless you like hedges.

[AndyG2]

[quote=NathanHobbs;486448]................. I wanted to have a higher fifth (for motorway cuising) without losing 0-60 acceleration.
I am going to look at the poss of putting on 17s for the long distance and 16 for the track!

EDIT: Get the engine remap done on a proper single drum dynomometer... you'll need a "chip" box first though... about £300 I think. You wont get the full benefit of your mods unless you remap the engine to take advantage of them.
What Re-map please???.

Also, fit a splitter unless you like hedges.
Already spun the car going uphill in Germany, and on Brands

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[NathanHobbs]

For the remap you have to fit a superchip or equivilent... sits between the existing ecu and the engine. Various ones around, especially as the k-series got used in a lot of custom vehicles, buggies, kit-cars etc.

Someone at work mentioned one, I'll try to find out who.

In addition to a splitter, if you don't have one, buy a spare wheel.

[pocketbikeuk]

[quote=AndyG2;486690]

Originally Posted by NathanHobbs

................. I wanted to have a higher fifth (for motorway cuising) without losing 0-60 acceleration.
I am going to look at the poss of putting on 17s for the long distance and 16 for the track!

EDIT: Get the engine remap done on a proper single drum dynomometer... you'll need a "chip" box first though... about £300 I think. You wont get the full benefit of your mods unless you remap the engine to take advantage of them.
What Re-map please???.

Also, fit a splitter unless you like hedges.
Already spun the car going uphill in Germany, and on Brands

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Hi there for those of you that dont know me from the mgrover forum, i specialise in engine remapping and can do all 2000 on rovers via obd port, I am a freelance engine managment specialist for performance3000 in yeovil but do a lot of work for people on the forums at cheap prices and always maintain good customer service, if your not happy you dont pay.

Just thought it was about time i got myself over on this forum to say hi. give me a shout if you have any queries.

Cheers Matt

[AndyG2]

Originally Posted by pocketbikeuk

............... if you have any queries.
Cheers Matt

Probably loads, But for now:

200-230 bhp on the K series.?

T4 for ZTT?

[pocketbikeuk]

Originally Posted by AndyG2

Probably loads, But for now:

200-230 bhp on the K series.?

T4 for ZTT?

T4 for ZTT i guess you mean do i need one to map a ZTT? no i have other kit.

If you want 200-230bhp on k series you need turbo/supercharger conversion and forged rods and lower comp pistons and bigger injectors thats for engines up to 1.8 with the 2.5v6 180bhp engine 200+ bhp is possible from cams, exhaust air filter and map. You can get 200 bhp from a 160 engine without a turbo, but i dont like the way na cars drive that are really cam'd up.

most people say that you need stand alone management for turbo converted cars but i have mapped a escort turbo converted car on standard ecu to over 200bhp and a mondeo duratec turbo conv to 230bhp, a supercharged focus to 220bhp all on standard ecu.

But for that power on k series id say the internals need changing a bit.

Cheers Matt

[NathanHobbs]

[quote=pocketbikeuk;488243]

Originally Posted by AndyG2

Hi there for those of you that dont know me from the mgrover forum, i specialise in engine remapping and can do all 2000 on rovers via obd port, I am a freelance engine managment specialist for performance3000 in yeovil but do a lot of work for people on the forums at cheap prices and always maintain good customer service, if your not happy you dont pay.

Just thought it was about time i got myself over on this forum to say hi. give me a shout if you have any queries.

Cheers Matt

Matt,

Have you ACTUALLY remapped an MGF and/or an MGTF?

Plenty of people say it's possible and then change their mind when faced with a MEM3 box!

Nathan

[pocketbikeuk]

[quote=NathanHobbs;488297]

Originally Posted by pocketbikeuk

Matt,

Have you ACTUALLY remapped an MGF and/or an MGTF?

Plenty of people say it's possible and then change their mind when faced with a MEM3 box!

Nathan

I have mapped a few mems3 cars ie zr 160 a 1.4 zr and a few others with no problem i cant see the TF being any different. Plus its listed as being possible by my tuning kit manufacturer, i bought this one piece of kit for doing MG Rover as it covers the L series and its the only bit of kit out there that does, being as i specialise in the L series.

List of Mg cars I can do by obd

MG - ROVER PETROL ZR 1.4L 105bhp MEMS 3
MG - ROVER PETROL ZR 1.8L 120bhp MEMS 3
MG - ROVER PETROL ZR 1.8L VVC160bhp MEMS 3
MG - ROVER PETROL ZS 1.8L 120bhp MEMS 3
MG - ROVER PETROL ZS 2.5L V6 180bhp EMS 2000
MG - ROVER PETROL ZT 2.5 V6 160 bhp EMS 2000
MG - ROVER PETROL ZT 2.5 V6 180 bhp EMS 2000
MG - ROVER PETROL ZT 2.5 V6 190 bhp EMS 2000
MG - ROVER PETROL TF 1.6L 115bhp MEMS 3
MG - ROVER PETROL TF 1.8L 120bhp MEMS 3
MG - ROVER PETROL TF 1.8L VVC 160bhp MEMS 3
MG - ROVER TURBO DIESEL ZR 2.0L TDi 100bhp EDC15M
MG - ROVER TURBO DIESEL ZS 2.0L TDi 100bhp EDC15M
MG - ROVER TURBO DIESEL ZT 2.0L CDT 115bhp Bosch DDE

[AndyG2]

Originally Posted by pocketbikeuk

MG - ROVER PETROL TF 1.8L VVC 160bhp MEMS 3

What can you do with these?

I want a SC.
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[pocketbikeuk]

Originally Posted by AndyG2

What can you do with these?

I want a SC.
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I would have to look into it but im sure i could probably map it to run a supercharger would be quite a bit of work but i cant see why not, what sort of boost are you looking at running and injector size?

cheers

[AndyG2]

Originally Posted by pocketbikeuk

I would have to look into it but im sure i could probably map it to run a supercharger would be quite a bit of work but i cant see why not, what sort of boost are you looking at running and injector size?

cheers

As I am haveing challenges with the SC, What would tweeking my current engine do.?

Already:
Datona Exhaust, ITG Filter, CR LSD Box.
No remap so far.

[NathanHobbs]

That's the important question!

I'de like to see someone actually remap one.

Chippers I've spoken to before say while you can remap the engine in the ZR you can't in the F/TF??? I won't beleive it till I see it.

Matt - do you have a single drum dyno for the setup?

[pocketbikeuk]

Originally Posted by NathanHobbs

That's the important question!

I'de like to see someone actually remap one.

Chippers I've spoken to before say while you can remap the engine in the ZR you can't in the F/TF??? I won't beleive it till I see it.

Matt - do you have a single drum dyno for the setup?

No at performance 3000 we have a mustang 2 drum braked dyno and its pretty darn accurate gets pretty much spot on the cars standard power everytime.

Im sure i can do a tf with my kit i bought it because it covers all rover and mg and is the only bit of kit that does ive done mems 3 before so i cant see why the tf is any different.

[pocketbikeuk]

Originally Posted by AndyG2

As I am haveing challenges with the SC, What would tweeking my current engine do.?

Already:
Datona Exhaust, ITG Filter, CR LSD Box.
No remap so far.

Which engine do you have 135 or 160 i know on the 160 you get around 12-15bhp and 20-27nm of torque.

Cheers

[AndyG2]

Originally Posted by pocketbikeuk

Which engine do you have 135 or 160

Red Hot 160+

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[NilsTF]

Originally Posted by pocketbikeuk

Which engine do you have 135 or 160 i know on the 160 you get around 12-15bhp and 20-27nm of torque.

Cheers

I recently bought a TF160, how do you get 12-15bhp more and 22-27nm more torque? I have bought the Taipan air filter from MGFCenter which I quite like. But now I want to get one of these:
Sports Cat
Stainless Steel Manifold
Daytona Exhaust
52mm alu throttle body

which of these will make the most bang for the buck?

a work colleage said to replace the cat with a straight pipe, he did it on his Elise and that gave him most noticable power difference, where could I get a cat straight pipe replacement for the TF?

Also:
Also what is actually the insurance cost increase for modifying the TF?
Currently I am with APlan and pay 77£/month and not told of any modifications yet, anyone know a cheaper insurance?

[Chris T]

There is no cheap way of finding another 15BHP, if you fit the above parts (you already have the 52mm TB) you may gain a few BHP. Remapping the ECU is an option but be careful of decatting the VVC engine as you may find a loss of power.

If your TF is insured via the Bletchley branch of A-Plan and your over the age of 25 then the mods (other then NoS or forced induction) shouldn't cost you any more but you must tell them as with any insurance.

[Steve White]

I'd save your money and get some head work done if you want a noticeable increase.
In say this as I have all the bits on your list fitted to my TF160 and the performance difference was tiny. More like 3-4BHP then figures quoted above. The small increase was proven on my previous TF which had the same kit fitted and showed just over 160BHP on the rollers.

Of the bits, the only one I personally noticed any difference with was the sports cat. If I was starting from scratch I would also go with a Piper manifold and not the Janspeed I have now. The thing to remember with straight through cat pipes is that they need to be re-fitted at MOT time, IMHO the gain from them is so small its simply not worth the hastle fitting one unless your engine has been tweaked internally.

My car is insured with A-Plan too, with all mods declared at no extra costs. This is because A-Plan have a special F/TF policy available for over 25's. So costs will be dependant upon your age and what policy your car is currently on.

[NilsTF]

Thanks for this. I am with APlan and will ring them up tomorrow.

I guess I won't replace the cat with a pipe then.

I found 2 sports cats, on mikesatur.com and on mgfcentre.com.
Which is the one to go for a 2004 TF1600VVC with Taipan air induction filter (although this may be the Viper, or they are all together the same as the 90degree plastic pipe is blue of my taipan?)

Also I would like the exhaust box changed to either Daytona or Scorpion, for the looks of 4 pipes I would go with Daytona, but tbh the Scorpion seems to sound better. Anyone know which gives the better performance?

I found exhaust sound clips here if anyone's interested: http://www.mgf-tf-central.co.uk/tt-exhaust.htm

[AndyG2]

Also put on a Close Ratio box and lighened Flywheel along with the other mods your car will fly.

I have just got back from the Alps with the Audi TT Tour,
(Yes, the one that was in the paper. 6 cars fined for speeding/racing in Switzerland. )

Kept up with the TTs no probs, (Loss of top speed only 115 easly) But it gets up there real quick.

[MyRomeo]

I recently bought a TF160, how do you get 12-15bhp more and 22-27nm more torque? live remap, had mine done and went from161bhp to 179.5bhpI have bought the Taipan air filter from MGFCenter which I quite like. But now I want to get one of these:
Sports Cat exhaust mods do very litle on the 160 engine, example, a manifold, sports cat and backbox tested on a RR saw a gain of only 5.6bhp.
Stainless Steel Manifold
Daytona Exhaust
52mm alu throttle bodystandard on the 160

which of these will make the most bang for the buck?

a work colleage said to replace the cat with a straight pipe, he did it on his Elise and that gave him most noticable power difference, where could I get a cat straight pipe replacement for the TF?


a cat bypass on the TF160 will not gain you any power, it could in fact lose you some. this has been covered countless times and ive done back to back RR tests with/without and saw NO difference top end and a LOSS across the revs.

[xr3tf]

Just came accross this post that I made a long time ago.

TF has been turbocharged since then - documented in some detail here for those interested:
http://forums.mg-rover.org/showthrea...ighlight=xr3tf

Also some pictures here:
http://s259.photobucket.com/albums/h...rbo%20Project/

Some video clips here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/MGTFvids?gl=GB&hl=en-GB

[Dave V6]

cool, what powers it making?