Oil Catch Tank - XPowerForums

peds · 26-02-2006, 20:51

Fitted a catch tank - took 10 mins - to hopefully prevent the oil vapour problem in air filter box. After 1 month in service all is well, not a drop to be seen.

**Gas-Axe** · 26-02-2006, 20:57

Good news - thanks for posting.

Got pics of said tank?

blue harbour · 26-02-2006, 21:13

Ped's- which line did you pipe into on the breather system out of interest?

The smaller- high vacuum side?

Or the larger- low vacuum side?

I tried mine on the larger breather line to begin with- but i was still getting oil in the inlet!- then i switched to the smaller-low vacuum line, and although im still getting a small amount of oil in the inlet- it has largely sorted the problem!

The only thing that im uncertain about though- is whether or not the oil that is still present in my inlet mani- is simply oil that was already there- from before fitting the catch tank, or indeed if it is new/fresh oil (as it looks!)- that is finding it's way down the larger-low vacuum line- and into the TB????????

Im non too sure which it is tbph!- i never bothered cleaning the inlet mani out when i fitted the catch tank- so i suppose it could just be residual oil that's slowly seeping back- but the oil that im seeing does look V clean- which ties in- cos my car has only recently been serviced!

**sheddist** · 26-02-2006, 21:47

No oil dripping into filter box since catch tank fitted
Oil accumulating in high vacuum catch tank.
Low vacuum catch tank made, just needs time to fit it an pipe it up. Planning to fix it to back of filter box. Will post pikkies.

fireengineer · 27-02-2006, 02:18

I dont think the oil is a problem, well not so much as to actually bother with anything like that. But good luck all the same.

Trophy zs 180 · 27-02-2006, 10:55

How about some piccies so that we all can have a go at doing it?? dddc

blue harbour · 27-02-2006, 17:24

Im sure sheddist has already got some piccy's of his setup in the gallery!

And i'll whack a photo of my old setup in the gallery too!

thebear · 11-10-2006, 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by peds

Fitted a catch tank - took 10 mins - to hopefully prevent the oil vapour problem in air filter box. After 1 month in service all is well, not a drop to be seen.

hi there would u by any chance have any pics as to where and how the oil catch tank fits.
chhers

Parsec · 12-10-2006, 00:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebear

hi there would u by any chance have any pics as to where and how the oil catch tank fits.
chhers

If I remember right Peds sold his ZS180 so probably isn't around any more, but forum members sheddist and blue harbour have fitted them and I think they'll have pictures - send them a PM

**DeMoNPauL** · 12-10-2006, 01:01

Here ya go
Hope harbs dont mind
http://www.forums.xpowerforums.com/a...achmentid=9444

blue harbour · 12-10-2006, 17:08

That piccy shows the tank plumbed in incorrectly!

It goes into the smaller of the two breather lines!

aldon · 19-10-2006, 22:17

I'm fitting a catch tank this weekend. I've previously put a crank case filter on the larger pipe as I, like harbs, thought that was the culprit. But now I've got OE induction back on I can see that I was woefully wrong.

If sheddist is right, I am going to leave the filter on as his idea is that at high revs, IIRC, the larger bore actually sucks air to avoid a vacuum in the crankcase.

Looking at Harbs's bracket I think the one I've made maybe a little ott and could knock a couple of seconds off my 0-60 time

. I will post piccs when done.

thebear · 24-10-2006, 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by peds

Fitted a catch tank - took 10 mins - to hopefully prevent the oil vapour problem in air filter box. After 1 month in service all is well, not a drop to be seen.

hi there have you any pics of how the oil catch tank is fitted cheers

thebear · 24-10-2006, 20:25

thanks for tha pics of the oil catch tank regards

thebear · 25-10-2006, 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by aldon

I'm fitting a catch tank this weekend. I've previously put a crank case filter on the larger pipe as I, like harbs, thought that was the culprit. But now I've got OE induction back on I can see that I was woefully wrong.

If sheddist is right, I am going to leave the filter on as his idea is that at high revs, IIRC, the larger bore actually sucks air to avoid a vacuum in the crankcase.

Looking at Harbs's bracket I think the one I've made maybe a little ott and could knock a couple of seconds off my 0-60 time

. I will post piccs when done.

aldon have you got pics of the oil catch tank you fitted and also dont understand wot u mean about losing power with the air filter u fitted

thebear · 25-10-2006, 20:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by blue harbour

That piccy shows the tank plumbed in incorrectly!

It goes into the smaller of the two breather lines!

harbs can you send a pic of how the oil catch tank is plumbed i know i keep on but i want to make sure i get it right

**DeMoNPauL** · 25-10-2006, 21:57

Maybe this is the correct pic

aldon · 25-10-2006, 23:50

Not sure I know what you mean about loss of power with a filter. I was joking about the size of the bracket I fabricated to hold the catch tank.

Here's some pics:-

Venom · 26-10-2006, 07:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeMoNPauL

Maybe this is the correct pic

Getting my catch tank today and will fit it today as well. But I see some with an Oil breather filter added, is it worth fitting one and what is the advantages of having one installed and where is the best place to get one for a ZS180 or are they all universal? (by the way I dont mean the catch tank, I'm on about the little filter thing.)

Cheers

aldon · 26-10-2006, 09:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venom

Getting my catch tank today and will fit it today as well. But I see some with an Oil breather filter added, is it worth fitting one and what is the advantages of having one installed and where is the best place to get one for a ZS180 or are they all universal? (by the way I dont mean the catch tank, I'm on about the little filter thing.)

Cheers

I fitted a breather to the larger breather pipe ages ago, wrongly thinking that it was this that was getting the oil into the TB. I have still been getting oil in the TB so I looked on here again, a little more thoroughly this time, and learned it was the smaller pipe that has the oil. When I fitted the breather I did wonder if it ws right because there was no oil in the pipe. When I did the catch tank the small pipe was full of oil so

it was that one.
I have left the breather on the larger pipe going on Sheddists assumptions about the breather system. And seeing as there is no oil on this filter or even no oily smells coming from it when running then it must be sucking air.

I can't honestly say if it's worth fitting or indeed if it is doing anything I have just left it as it was.

To get the correct size, I can't remember what it is, just measure the diameter of the pipe and buy a filter that has a rubber neck with an internal diameter the same or maybe 1-2mm bigger, and fasten it on with a jubilee clip. The hardest thing is blocking the pipe into the throttle body. I used a plastic blanking plug for the white plumbing pipes from B&Q and a jubilee clip. You can see this on the first 2 pics in my thread above.

Hope I have been some help to you Venom.

Venom · 26-10-2006, 18:51

Cheers Alan, thankd for the info.

I got my catch tank today but yet my car was still not ready for collection from the garage. On alot of other systems installed have changed the pipes (i.e. black pipe or blue piping) Could some one tell me where to get some of that piping from please as the stuff you get in the box with the catch tank is a bit of garden hosing.

aldon · 26-10-2006, 21:49

try here for silicone hoses.

http://viper-performance.co.uk/index.php

I wanted black so just went to Bullseye and got some vacuum hose and some coolant hose with the correct inside diameters.

EDIT:- coolant hose 3/4" ID was for induction kit.

aldon · 26-10-2006, 21:58

Took this earlier today. Tank has been on 5 days and 159 miles and this is how much oil has been stopped by the tank. I think over the years that there would be a rather large amount going through the manifold.

Ok i Know it's not a massive amount but I think you can see how much it would build up over the years

http://gallery.xpowerforums.com/show...hp/photo/18155

Venom · 27-10-2006, 07:21

Sorry to be a pain but I'm a bit of noobe on this sizes, thickness and what i'm looking for and.........well every thing? could you point me in the right direction i.e. what size and length and bore i'm looking for on both vacume and cooling pipe for the tank?
Please.

Venom · 27-10-2006, 08:32

Which line is a vacume line and which is the cooling line as well please? I have marked the two lines with a number what is line 1 and what is line 2?

aldon · 27-10-2006, 22:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venom

Which line is a vacume line and which is the cooling line as well please? I have marked the two lines with a number what is line 1 and what is line 2?

They are both the same tube. I bought it as a 1 metre length from Bullseye motorist discount centre. It is brake servo vacuum pipe with an internal diameter of 9mm secured in place with jubilee clips. I used vacuum hose because I didn't want it to crush under vacuum at high revs.

The coolant hose is what is attached to the Idle Air Control Valve and the bottom half of my induction kit. It is 3/4 inch internal diameter. No special hose required If you look in my gallery at the EVO setup you can see a small breather filter attached to a 19mm 90deg plastic bend (B&Q plumbing sect) that I painted silver. This is attached to the IACV with a piece of red hose pipe with an ID of 19mm.

aldon · 27-10-2006, 22:31

Venom I think your getting a little confused.

When I say vacuum hose and coolant hose it is because that is what they are called from the shop because of there original intended use. Vacuum hose for brake servos and coolant hose is just that, the rubber hoses that carry coolant.

Just a word of warning, when you cut the breather pipes make sure that all loose bits of plastic are removed and all burrs because you don't really want these getting sucked into your manifold.

Don't be afraid to meddle, as long as everything is kept clean and no foreign matter is sucked into the manifold you can always put it back to normal if it doesn't work. Bearing in mind that if it goes catastrophicaly wrong it could cost a lot to correct.

thebear · 27-10-2006, 23:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by aldon

I fitted a breather to the larger breather pipe ages ago, wrongly thinking that it was this that was getting the oil into the TB. I have still been getting oil in the TB so I looked on here again, a little more thoroughly this time, and learned it was the smaller pipe that has the oil. When I fitted the breather I did wonder if it ws right because there was no oil in the pipe. When I did the catch tank the small pipe was full of oil so

it was that one.
I have left the breather on the larger pipe going on Sheddists assumptions about the breather system. And seeing as there is no oil on this filter or even no oily smells coming from it when running then it must be sucking air.

I can't honestly say if it's worth fitting or indeed if it is doing anything I have just left it as it was.

To get the correct size, I can't remember what it is, just measure the diameter of the pipe and buy a filter that has a rubber neck with an internal diameter the same or maybe 1-2mm bigger, and fasten it on with a jubilee clip. The hardest thing is blocking the pipe into the throttle body. I used a plastic blanking plug for the white plumbing pipes from B&Q and a jubilee clip. You can see this on the first 2 pics in my thread above.

Hope I have been some help to you Venom.

top pics thanks wot air filter u using a cone or sealed unit

thebear · 27-10-2006, 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeMoNPauL

Maybe this is the correct pic

good pics thanks to all who send them

thebear · 27-10-2006, 23:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by aldon

Not sure I know what you mean about loss of power with a filter. I was joking about the size of the bracket I fabricated to hold the catch tank.

Here's some pics:-

aldon why has your pipe got bung in and demonpauls hasnt and does this matter

**DeMoNPauL** · 28-10-2006, 01:08

Bear i aint got a catch tank fitted the pics i showed ya are from harbs car

My set up is the plain and simple way

aldon · 28-10-2006, 05:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebear

top pics thanks wot air filter u using a cone or sealed unit

have a look at these threads:-

http://forums.xpowerforums.com/showt...2&page=1&pp=35

and

http://forums.xpowerforums.com/showthread.php?t=33744

The filter is open but is located in the inner wing.

Venom · 30-10-2006, 02:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by aldon

try here for silicone hoses.

http://viper-performance.co.uk/index.php

I wanted black so just went to Bullseye and got some vacuum hose and some coolant hose with the correct inside diameters.

EDIT:- coolant hose 3/4" ID was for induction kit.

What sort of length of hosing will I need as well please?

aldon · 30-10-2006, 05:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venom

What sort of length of hosing will I need as well please?

A metre will be plenty. I think that would be the minimum you could buy anyway.

Venom · 31-10-2006, 16:39

sorry again but I no where and which pip to cut into to attach the catch tank but is there another way besides cutting into the pipe?

26-02-2006, 20:51	#1
peds Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: wigan Posts: 55	Oil Catch Tank Fitted a catch tank - took 10 mins - to hopefully prevent the oil vapour problem in air filter box. After 1 month in service all is well, not a drop to be seen.

26-02-2006, 20:57	#2
Gas-Axe Administrator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South West Posts: 10,429	Re: Oil Catch Tank Good news - thanks for posting. Got pics of said tank? __________________ '06 330d M Sport Auto \|\| Evolve Switch 300PS/500ft/lb \|\| BMW Performance Brakes \|\| Paddleshift Retrofit \|\| Alpine HiFi Upgrade \|\| 6CD retrofit \|\| BMWP Gloss Grilles \|\| oh and a Witter detachable hidden towbar LOL

26-02-2006, 21:13	#3
blue harbour I miss you Dad!!!!!! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: nowhere Posts: 10,577	Re: Oil Catch Tank Ped's- which line did you pipe into on the breather system out of interest? The smaller- high vacuum side? Or the larger- low vacuum side? I tried mine on the larger breather line to begin with- but i was still getting oil in the inlet!- then i switched to the smaller-low vacuum line, and although im still getting a small amount of oil in the inlet- it has largely sorted the problem! The only thing that im uncertain about though- is whether or not the oil that is still present in my inlet mani- is simply oil that was already there- from before fitting the catch tank, or indeed if it is new/fresh oil (as it looks!)- that is finding it's way down the larger-low vacuum line- and into the TB???????? Im non too sure which it is tbph!- i never bothered cleaning the inlet mani out when i fitted the catch tank- so i suppose it could just be residual oil that's slowly seeping back- but the oil that im seeing does look V clean- which ties in- cos my car has only recently been serviced! __________________ The grass sometimes really is greener on the other side! 2007 CTR with Grandprix pack and rage upgrade (+ a few other bits aswell )

26-02-2006, 21:47	#4
sheddist A boffin and proud of it Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Solihull Posts: 1,824	Re: Oil Catch Tank No oil dripping into filter box since catch tank fitted Oil accumulating in high vacuum catch tank. Low vacuum catch tank made, just needs time to fit it an pipe it up. Planning to fix it to back of filter box. Will post pikkies.

27-02-2006, 02:18	#5
fireengineer Stop that! Thats silly. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: N.IRELAND Posts: 2,744	Re: Oil Catch Tank I dont think the oil is a problem, well not so much as to actually bother with anything like that. But good luck all the same. __________________ A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.

27-02-2006, 10:55	#6
Trophy zs 180 ZS 180 gone but never forgotten..... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Not in my bed!!! Posts: 688	Re: Oil Catch Tank How about some piccies so that we all can have a go at doing it?? dddc __________________ HELLLLLLOOOOOO ST220 the car that Satan would own

27-02-2006, 17:24	#7
blue harbour I miss you Dad!!!!!! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: nowhere Posts: 10,577	Re: Oil Catch Tank Im sure sheddist has already got some piccy's of his setup in the gallery! And i'll whack a photo of my old setup in the gallery too! __________________ The grass sometimes really is greener on the other side! 2007 CTR with Grandprix pack and rage upgrade (+ a few other bits aswell )

12-10-2006, 01:01	#10
DeMoNPauL R.I.P [The Red Zed] MG ZS 180 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sunderland Posts: 18,205	Re: Oil Catch Tank Here ya go Hope harbs dont mind http://www.forums.xpowerforums.com/a...achmentid=9444 __________________ 2005 Black Pearl MK2 MG ZS 180 V6 (Howlin Wolf) Piper Stainless Steel Exhaust 100mm Slashcut Catback Growler Janspeed 100 CPSI Stainless Steel Sports Cat Janspeed 6-2-1 Stainless Steel Exhaust Manifold ITG Maxogen Open Cone piped to inner wing Team Dynamics Pro Race 1.2 Matt Neal Limited Edition Alloys Vredestein Giugiaro Ultrac Tyres Lowered 30mm on (Motobuild Koni) Springs Stainless Steel Catch Tank Sheddists Clutch Kit NGK Iridium Spark Plugs Philips X-treme Power Headlight bulbs Customised Engine Cover Tinted Windows Rear parking sensors Team Bobin Head http://teamvalleylandrover.co.uk/ - MG Rover/Landrover XPART Auto Service Centre http://www.hiperformanceautocentres.co.uk/ - MG Rover XPART Auto Service Centre www.exv-mobile.co.uk - Mobile valeter in the Kent Area

12-10-2006, 17:08	#11
blue harbour I miss you Dad!!!!!! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: nowhere Posts: 10,577	Re: Oil Catch Tank That piccy shows the tank plumbed in incorrectly! It goes into the smaller of the two breather lines! __________________ The grass sometimes really is greener on the other side! 2007 CTR with Grandprix pack and rage upgrade (+ a few other bits aswell )

19-10-2006, 22:17	#12
aldon EX ZS PILOT Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Barnsley Posts: 3,871	Re: Oil Catch Tank I'm fitting a catch tank this weekend. I've previously put a crank case filter on the larger pipe as I, like harbs, thought that was the culprit. But now I've got OE induction back on I can see that I was woefully wrong. If sheddist is right, I am going to leave the filter on as his idea is that at high revs, IIRC, the larger bore actually sucks air to avoid a vacuum in the crankcase. Looking at Harbs's bracket I think the one I've made maybe a little ott and could knock a couple of seconds off my 0-60 time . I will post piccs when done. __________________ Mazda 2.0 Sport.

24-10-2006, 20:25	#14
thebear Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: bristol Posts: 132	Re: Oil Catch Tank thanks for tha pics of the oil catch tank regards

25-10-2006, 21:57	#17
DeMoNPauL R.I.P [The Red Zed] MG ZS 180 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sunderland Posts: 18,205	Re: Oil Catch Tank Maybe this is the correct pic __________________ 2005 Black Pearl MK2 MG ZS 180 V6 (Howlin Wolf) Piper Stainless Steel Exhaust 100mm Slashcut Catback Growler Janspeed 100 CPSI Stainless Steel Sports Cat Janspeed 6-2-1 Stainless Steel Exhaust Manifold ITG Maxogen Open Cone piped to inner wing Team Dynamics Pro Race 1.2 Matt Neal Limited Edition Alloys Vredestein Giugiaro Ultrac Tyres Lowered 30mm on (Motobuild Koni) Springs Stainless Steel Catch Tank Sheddists Clutch Kit NGK Iridium Spark Plugs Philips X-treme Power Headlight bulbs Customised Engine Cover Tinted Windows Rear parking sensors Team Bobin Head http://teamvalleylandrover.co.uk/ - MG Rover/Landrover XPART Auto Service Centre http://www.hiperformanceautocentres.co.uk/ - MG Rover XPART Auto Service Centre www.exv-mobile.co.uk - Mobile valeter in the Kent Area

25-10-2006, 23:50	#18
aldon EX ZS PILOT Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Barnsley Posts: 3,871	Re: Oil Catch Tank Not sure I know what you mean about loss of power with a filter. I was joking about the size of the bracket I fabricated to hold the catch tank. Here's some pics:- __________________ Mazda 2.0 Sport.

26-10-2006, 18:51	#21
Venom MG ZS 180 MKI Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Gloucestershire Posts: 3,253	Re: Oil Catch Tank Cheers Alan, thankd for the info. I got my catch tank today but yet my car was still not ready for collection from the garage. On alot of other systems installed have changed the pipes (i.e. black pipe or blue piping) Could some one tell me where to get some of that piping from please as the stuff you get in the box with the catch tank is a bit of garden hosing. __________________ 2009 Vauxhall Corsa VXR - Flame Red 2001 MKI MG ZS 180 - Trophy Blue Commission no: ZS 004021 1989 MKII Honda CRX Race Car Xbox Live Tag: SoloXalio ____________________________________________ Team Bobin Head

26-10-2006, 21:49	#22
aldon EX ZS PILOT Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Barnsley Posts: 3,871	Re: Oil Catch Tank try here for silicone hoses. http://viper-performance.co.uk/index.php I wanted black so just went to Bullseye and got some vacuum hose and some coolant hose with the correct inside diameters. EDIT:- coolant hose 3/4" ID was for induction kit. __________________ Mazda 2.0 Sport. Last edited by aldon; 26-10-2006 at 22:00.

26-10-2006, 21:58	#23
aldon EX ZS PILOT Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Barnsley Posts: 3,871	Re: Oil Catch Tank Took this earlier today. Tank has been on 5 days and 159 miles and this is how much oil has been stopped by the tank. I think over the years that there would be a rather large amount going through the manifold. Ok i Know it's not a massive amount but I think you can see how much it would build up over the years http://gallery.xpowerforums.com/show...hp/photo/18155 __________________ Mazda 2.0 Sport.

27-10-2006, 07:21	#24
Venom MG ZS 180 MKI Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Gloucestershire Posts: 3,253	Re: Oil Catch Tank Sorry to be a pain but I'm a bit of noobe on this sizes, thickness and what i'm looking for and.........well every thing? could you point me in the right direction i.e. what size and length and bore i'm looking for on both vacume and cooling pipe for the tank? Please. __________________ 2009 Vauxhall Corsa VXR - Flame Red 2001 MKI MG ZS 180 - Trophy Blue Commission no: ZS 004021 1989 MKII Honda CRX Race Car Xbox Live Tag: SoloXalio ____________________________________________ Team Bobin Head

27-10-2006, 22:31	#27
aldon EX ZS PILOT Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Barnsley Posts: 3,871	Re: Oil Catch Tank Venom I think your getting a little confused. When I say vacuum hose and coolant hose it is because that is what they are called from the shop because of there original intended use. Vacuum hose for brake servos and coolant hose is just that, the rubber hoses that carry coolant. Just a word of warning, when you cut the breather pipes make sure that all loose bits of plastic are removed and all burrs because you don't really want these getting sucked into your manifold. Don't be afraid to meddle, as long as everything is kept clean and no foreign matter is sucked into the manifold you can always put it back to normal if it doesn't work. Bearing in mind that if it goes catastrophicaly wrong it could cost a lot to correct. __________________ Mazda 2.0 Sport.

28-10-2006, 01:08	#31
DeMoNPauL R.I.P [The Red Zed] MG ZS 180 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sunderland Posts: 18,205	Re: Oil Catch Tank Bear i aint got a catch tank fitted the pics i showed ya are from harbs car My set up is the plain and simple way __________________ 2005 Black Pearl MK2 MG ZS 180 V6 (Howlin Wolf) Piper Stainless Steel Exhaust 100mm Slashcut Catback Growler Janspeed 100 CPSI Stainless Steel Sports Cat Janspeed 6-2-1 Stainless Steel Exhaust Manifold ITG Maxogen Open Cone piped to inner wing Team Dynamics Pro Race 1.2 Matt Neal Limited Edition Alloys Vredestein Giugiaro Ultrac Tyres Lowered 30mm on (Motobuild Koni) Springs Stainless Steel Catch Tank Sheddists Clutch Kit NGK Iridium Spark Plugs Philips X-treme Power Headlight bulbs Customised Engine Cover Tinted Windows Rear parking sensors Team Bobin Head http://teamvalleylandrover.co.uk/ - MG Rover/Landrover XPART Auto Service Centre http://www.hiperformanceautocentres.co.uk/ - MG Rover XPART Auto Service Centre www.exv-mobile.co.uk - Mobile valeter in the Kent Area

31-10-2006, 16:39	#35
Venom MG ZS 180 MKI Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Gloucestershire Posts: 3,253	Re: Oil Catch Tank sorry again but I no where and which pip to cut into to attach the catch tank but is there another way besides cutting into the pipe? __________________ 2009 Vauxhall Corsa VXR - Flame Red 2001 MKI MG ZS 180 - Trophy Blue Commission no: ZS 004021 1989 MKII Honda CRX Race Car Xbox Live Tag: SoloXalio ____________________________________________ Team Bobin Head

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